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Is the battle in Ezekiel 38,39 the same battle mentioned in Revelation 19:11-21?



      

Ezekiel 38:1 - 23

ESV - 1 The word of the Lord came to me: 2 Son of man, set your face toward Gog, of the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him

Clarify Share Report Asked April 11 2017 Stringio Robert Stewart

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Yes. These two chapters (Ezek. 38--Ezek. 39) and Reve 19:11-20 refer to Armageddon, not to some battle between Russia and the Jews before the second coming of Christ. Such means of destruction as an overflowing rain, blood, fire, brimstone, hailstones, etc. Will be used at Armageddon only, as proved here (Ezek. 38:18-22) and in Ezek. 39:2-7,17-20 Isa. 63:1-8 Joel 2-3 Zech. 14:1-15 Mt. 24:27-31 2Th. 1:7-10; 2:8-12 Jude 1:14-15 Rev. 16:17-21. These statements are not figurative but literal, and can only be understood this way.

Gog means roof or mountain. It is found 11 Times: once of a Reubenite (1Chr. 5:4); once in Rev. 20:8 with Magog which is representative of the nations from the four quarters of the earth that will rebel against Christ at the end of the Millennium; and 9 times of the chief prince of Mechech and Tubal (Ezek. 38:2-3,14-16; 39:1,11).

Gog in Ezek. 38:2 is the same as the "little horn" of Dan. 7 and 8; "the prince that shall come" of Dan. 9; "the king of the north" of Dan. 11; the "man of sin," "the son of perdition," and "that wicked" of 2Th. 2; the "king of Babylon" of Isa. 13--Isa. 14; "the Assyrian" of Mic. 5; the "Antichrist" of 1Jn. 2; and "the beast" of Rev. 13. This is clear from a comparison of these passages with Ezek. 38--Ezek. 39. All these scriptures speak of a man who will come in the last days.

The Antichrist and false prophet will be two mortal men killed at Armageddon (Rev. 19:20; Dan. 7:11; Isa. 11:4; 2Th. 2:8-9). Their bodies will be resurrected and cast into eternal hell (Rev. 19:20; 20:10; Dan. 7:11). They and the goat nations (Mt. 25:41,46) will be in the second resurrection. This will make the first part of the second resurrection before the Millennium. The rest of the dead will complete the second resurrection after the Millennium (Rev. 20).

Fifteen Proofs Armageddon Is Referred to Here:
1. Not one statement in these two chapters mention a war in Palestine before Armageddon. 
2. The battle of Armageddon is the only war predicted by the prophets that could possibly be referred to in these chapters (Ezek. 38:17). 
3. Armageddon is mentioned many times by Isaiah, Jeremiah, Micah, and other prophets before the days of Ezekiel (Isa. 1:25-31; 3:25-26; 13:1-16; 24:21; 63:1-6 Jer. 25:30-33; 30:11,20-24 Joel 2-3 Oba. 1:15-21 Mic. 1:3-4; 2:12-13; 5:5-15 etc.). 
4. The destruction of Gog and his armies (Ezek. 38:18-23; 39:1-6,17-20) compares with similar statements about Armageddon in Joel 3 Zech. 14; Rev. 19:11-21. Gog will not fall upon the open field until Armageddon (Ezek. 39:3-5 Rev. 19:11-21). 
5. The great supper for the fowls and beasts will only be at Armageddon (Ezek. 39:4,17-20 with Mt. 24:27-28 Rev. 19:17-21). 
6. The presence of God (as pictured in Ezek. 38:18-21; 39:1-6,17-24) will not be until Armageddon (Isa. 63:1-6 Zech. 14:1-5 Rev. 19:11-21). 
7. The supernatural destruction of Gog and his armies (as described in Ezek. 38:21-23) will not be until Armageddon (Isa. 63:1-6 Joel 2-3 Zech. 14; Rev. 19:11-21). 
8. God will not magnify and sanctify Himself and set His glory among the heathen (as stated in Ezek. 38:23; 39:21-24) until He comes at the second coming of Christ--at Armageddon (Zech. 14:1-21 Mt. 24:29-31 Rev. 19:11-21). 
9. Gog will not bring the many armies of the nations into Palestine to be destroyed until the time of the second coming of Christ, at Armageddon, as referred to in Ezek. 38:18-23; 39:1-7 and proved in Zech. 14:1-5 Rev. 16:13-16; 19:11-21. 
10. The great earthquake of Ezek. 38:20 will not take place until the seventh vial and the second coming (Zech. 14:1-5 Rev. 16:17-21; 19:11-21). 
11. God's presence will not destroy Gog and his army until the second coming, at Armageddon (Ezek. 38:20; 39:2-7 with Zech. 14:1-5 Rev. 19:11-21). 
12. Gog and his army cannot be destroyed in a war in Palestine before the second coming, at Armageddon, to fulfill Ezek. 38:18-23; 39:1-7,17-20, and then be destroyed again at Armageddon to fulfill Isa. 63 Joel 2-3 Zech. 14. 
13. We must therefore recognize all these passages as referring to the same destruction--at Armageddon (Rev. 19:11-21). 
14. The burial of Gog and all his armies destroyed in the fulfillment of Ezek. 38-39 will be at the second coming of Christ (Ezek. 39:11-16 with Dan. 7:11 2Th. 2:8-12 Rev. 19:11-21). 
15. It is at the second coming of Christ that God's glory will be set among the heathen and Israel will be completely gathered and blessed (Ezek. 39:21-29 Zech. 14; Mt. 24:29-31 Rom. 11:24-29 Rev. 19:11-21).

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Mini Dean Mathes
NO, Ezekiel 38 prophecy is a war that will be fought by God on Israel's behalf. Israel becomes a nation in chapter 37. Then many nations take up arms against her. Gog is the King who is in charge of all the armies. This is not a battle that has already taken place, because the resulting dead will be buried in the Valley of the travelers, EAST of the Dead Sea. It will be named Hamon Gog. 

Israel will not need to burn any wood for seven years, because they will be burning the weapons left in the Valley. So why do people want to say it is the Same battle described in Revelation? Because Gog is spoken of in both battles they believe Ezekiel is giving a synopsis of the battle of Armageddon. 

The Battle of Armageddon is a final battle on God vs the kingdom of hell. It takes place at Armageddon, not the Valley of travelers. The participants in both wars are completely different, except for Gog. The battle in Revelation will end with the Great White throne judgement, not with Israel burning weapons for seven years.

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Mini Kenneth Heck
As with many Biblical prophecies there is room for differing viewpoints. In my opinion the answer to the question is no. Ezek 38, 39 actually refer to the invasion of Gog and Magog in Rev 20:8-10. This invasion is described only in summary form in Revelation, but with greater detail in Ezekiel.

Here are several reasons.

Ezek 38,39 doesn’t describe a battle. It describes the invasion of Israel by a large army of various nations headed by Gog. This invasion is repelled only by divine intervention – giant earthquakes, the sword against brothers, pestilence, rain, great hailstones, fire and brimstone (38:18-22, 39:6). No opposing armies are mentioned. 

Rev 19:11-21 describes a vision of the armies of heaven battling the beast and false prophet, the kings of the earth and their armies. I believe this will occur on earth when the kings of the east cross the Euphrates to defeat these armies, but only through the intervention of the heavenly armies.

It isn’t conclusive when the latter days (or last days) occur in these two chapters. Last days or latter days are found at the end of an era. Although not specifically mentioned in Genesis, there were the last days (perhaps 120 years) before the Flood when the Ark was built. John says in 1 John 2:18 that they were already in the last time (or days). For the Jews this was true because Jerusalem and the Temple were subsequently destroyed and the Jewish nation in the Middle East ceased to exist. At present we are in the last days of the Church era which will end at the second coming of Christ in judgment. However, there are also the last days of the kingdom era of 1,000 years when Satan is released to deceive the nations (Rev 20:8). Perhaps a hint is given with the phrase “after many days” (38:8) emphasizing the extreme length of time involved.

Any large number of dead bodies can and will attract scavenging birds and beasts. The suppers described in Ezek 39:4, 17-20 and Rev 19:17-18 aren’t necessarily identical. Only birds are mentioned in Rev 19:17.

Christ doesn’t come to judge the nations at the battle of Armageddon. He will come as described in Acts 1:7 down from the clouds and with all his holy angels (Matt 25:31-46).

Certain technical details don’t correspond to our time era. 1) Today weapons are made of metal. How can metal be burned as described in 39:9-10 for seven years? 2) Cattle (meaning herds and flocks) don’t thrive in Israel now (38:12). 3) At that time Israel is at rest and dwells safely in unwalled villages (38:11), but Israel doesn’t now and cannot dwell safely until the coming of the Messiah.

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